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Welcome to the Orchids user group.

This user group is devoted to the Orchids orchestration system and its users, but also on the topic of computer-aided orchestration and generic sound mixture optimization. In order to facilitate the exchange of bug reports, idea and collaborative thinking, we encourage any kind of report on errors, bad or good results, desired features, ideas, remarks and any other topic.

Please report any unsolved problem, ideas or even cool sounds to this group and we will be glad to discuss it. If you want to start using the software, please read the full documentation, which provides turnarounds to known issues: http://repmus.ircam.fr/_media/esling/orchids-documentation.pdf

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Orchids – Version 0.9.2

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Excellent news everyone, sorry to keep you waiting, but we have worked massively to produce a new version of Orchids, that should address the wide majority of problems with the previous one. Notably, there is a vast improvement to the accuracy of the solutions in both static and temporal modes. With the great help of Yan Maresz and Daniele Ghisi, we also addressed a lot of bugs and feature requests that were discussed in the forum. You can download the new installer version on forumnet, along with the new (cleaned and re-organized) sound database that should provide a way better system. Here is a list of features and enhancements for this version

Core
– Multi-threaded version (much faster operations)
– User preferences are now in ~/Library/Application Support/Orchids 0.9.2 Preferences/
– Moved analysis database in a user specific folder
(now in ~/Library/Application Support/Orchids 0.9.2 Preferences/Database/)
once the program is installed, you can reclaim 1,8 Go of space by deleting the following folder: /Applications/Orchids0.9.2.app/Contents/UserData/OrchidsDb_0.9.2)
– Vastly improved accuracy of Search algorithms
– Fixed diversity algorithms
– Added “partial sparsity” option (correlation distance)
– Updated to the latest Ircam Descriptors external
– Back to the original, smaller (but also more incomplete) Ircam Studio Online sound database
– Added ability to give presets names in every preset field
– Removed “Quit” tab. we now use now standard application quit method.
– Changed the naming convention for samples. We now use dash (-) as separator and underscore (_) as separator within playing techniques.
So we now have : instruments-playing_technique-pitch-dynamic-free_infos.wav
Examples:
* Cb-harm_nat_gliss_med_up-N-p-1c.wav
* Hp-buzz_pedal-B1-f.wav
* Bn-blow_no_reed-A#1-mf=pp.wav
– Note the presence of the character “N” that can be applied both for samples without pitch or dynamic info (if needed). If no dynamic and no pitch are present use : mysound-exemple-N-N.wav.
– Also note the mf+pp that allows to describe a plying technique played mf resulting pp (this is also needed for our Loudness factor correction)

Analysis (& Solutions)
– Change solution length with the duration field (right to the target)

Explorer & Database
– New user folders import mechanism. Use folder hierarchy Instrument/playing technique(s) to import your own sounds into orchids.
– The system can use automatic detection of Playing Technique if correct sound file naming is used (see naming convention for samples above)
– A “remove folder” button has been added to delete a user imported folder
– Possibility to disable autoplay when browsing database sounds
– New backup system for database

Filters
– Added list of available instruments in the filters
– Added individual mutes to filters
– Added the possibility to control the range of the note filters and also a checkbox to bypass it altogether
– Fixed issue with pitch filtering

Orchestra
– Updated reverb to ircam spat
– Added solution mixer
– Added loudness factor also for solutions playback
Microtonal approximation is now saved along with preset

Solutions
– Added SDIF and MusicXML Import/Export
– Solutions samples lengths are now adapted to target duration
– Added a append (solution) to maquette (to send individual solutions one after the others in the maquette)
– External Editor window now fits content to window size
Improved Pareto front explorer with rSliders allowing user to zoom and navigate more easily in the solutions (command-click&drag to move, click&drag to zoom)
– Solution number changed with numberbox or previous/next arrows is now reflected in Pareto front by a circle around the solution’s dot
– Added tracks to folder export (export individual soundfiles from solutions)
– Added a “mix” slider to listen to the solutions along with the target soundfile
– Changed “static orchestration” checkbox to “Disregard Onsets”

Maquette
– Fixed copy copy/paste from solutions issues

April 25, 2016 at 15:31 #17824
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António Florença

Cheers Philippe,

I’ve downloaded the app, but I can’t launch it. Opening it I only get the message that the file is damaged and if I want to move it to the trash. I’m on OSX 10.11.4.

All the best,
António

April 25, 2016 at 17:58 #17832
Diego Dall'Osto
Diego Dall’Osto

Hi OrchidsUsers,

same problem of damaged file etc, on OS X 10.10.5, MacBook Pro, 16 GB, 2,5 GHz Intel Core i7.

A question : in Hamletic doubt I did not erase the old SOL_0.9_HQ, so I have two SOL_0.9_HQ (the new one is on desktop)

best
Diego

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April 26, 2016 at 08:16 #17838
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jbbollen

Thanks Diego. I have exactly the same issue here on a Mac Mini 2,8 GHz Core i5 running OSX 10.10.5.
And me too, I kept the old SOL in place, since it seems to be the same version as the new one.

April 26, 2016 at 11:11 #17843
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esling

Sorry for the setback, I actually have the same problem if I download it from the Forum, but not if I use the local version. So it seems that the download function from the Forum is corrupting the file somehow. I have removed the file, but we will settle that problem very fast :)

April 26, 2016 at 15:43 #17847
Diego Dall'Osto
Diego Dall’Osto

Thanks Esling,

and regarding the old SOL, must be replaced by the new one.. right ?

best
Diego

April 26, 2016 at 16:09 #17848
Jérôme
Jérôme

Bonjour,

C’est curieux mais je n’ai pas le problème de corruption. J’ai un autre problème (voir capture d’écran) dans cet example, je n’ai que l’alto qui sonne et pas les autres instruments ! NB : j’utilise le même SOL que celui en ligne (a priori…)

Merci d’avance

……………………………………………………………………… jerome

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April 26, 2016 at 17:57 #17849
Jérôme
Jérôme

J’ai remplacé mon ancien dossier SOL_0.9_HQ par celui qui est en ligne! It works! Pourtant le mien n’était pas si vieux et portait le même nom :-)

April 26, 2016 at 20:22 #17852
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jbbollen

Hi Phillipe. I downloaded Orchids 9.2 again but I still get a corrupted file. Is there any chance that the download issue is solved soon? Thanks, JB

April 28, 2016 at 05:47 #17856
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Emmanuel Jourdan

@esling is simply mistaken. The problem has nothing to do with forumnet corrupting anything, but the fact that the application isn’t signed. To fix the problem, open the System Preferences and in the security options, disable GateKeeper.

April 28, 2016 at 07:13 #17857
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jbbollen

That’s right, EJ. I had a hunch that it was not a corrupted file, but simply trying to open with “right-click > open” did not work, however, your method does. Thanks a lot!

April 28, 2016 at 07:38 #17860
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Emmanuel Jourdan

Great, thanks for confirming. I would also recommend you use the little script that is in the dmg to download the database, because it’s a different one that with the version 0.9.1. The script will resume the download if for some reason the connection fails (so you save time and bandwidth).

April 28, 2016 at 08:24 #17861
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jbbollen

Yes! A first tryout of MusicXML export works great! Bless you, Philippe, Daniele & crew!. I’m very excited.

April 28, 2016 at 08:49 #17862
Diego Dall'Osto
Diego Dall’Osto

great EJ !

Gatekeeper off: it worked to me too, so I can open Orchids 0.9.2.

So you also confirm that we must replace the old database with the new one..I proceed to do it.

( ‘philosophical’ question: can’t understand why the message was about ‘corrupted file’ and not about ‘unsigned application)

THANKS.

Diego

April 28, 2016 at 08:51 #17863
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Karim

Dear Diego,

This is Apple… You are right, the file (First of all it is ntot a file,…), and it is not corrupted. The only thing that apple wants is to control applications thru the “GateKeeper” police. SO if you want to install a 3rd party application not signed with an apple visa, you will get this message if you don’t disactivate gatekeeper.
That’s all.
My advice, is to disactivate it when you are sure it is a safe application (not a malware), then put it back this won’t hurt.
I personaly disactivate it all the time, and use linux instead (:-))
Best
K

April 28, 2016 at 10:36 #17865
Jérôme
Jérôme

Hi fellows,

You MUST download the new version of the database. If you have an older folder which is called « SOL_0.9_HQ » consider it as obsolete !

As it’s written in the release notes : « Back to the original, smaller (but also more incomplete) Ircam Studio Online sound database »

Only the name of the folders are the same !

Cheers~

………………………………………… jerome

April 28, 2016 at 10:49 #17866
Diego Dall'Osto
Diego Dall’Osto

thanks Karim,

I see … it is about boundaries, as between safety and control.
But: is there a version of Orchids for Linux?

best
Diego

April 28, 2016 at 13:53 #17881
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Karim

No unfortunately …
K

April 28, 2016 at 14:14 #17882
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AntonioPinhoVargas

Dear Karim,

3 beginner questions:

I was able to download Orchisd=0.9.2, following your instructions avoiding Apple dificulties, but I have 3 questions now:
1: from where download the fonts for the Bach interface? (required in the documentation with no further explanation).
2. More important: when I try to expand SOL zip I got a message saying: “Unable to expande “SOL_HQ.zip” into downloads (Error 2 – No such file or directory.)”.
Therefore where I should do it? I’ve tryied from the desktop and from an external disk where it is already the previous version of SOL. Should I send it to trash before expanding the new zip? Or what else?

Thanks a lot
António

April 28, 2016 at 20:34 #17886
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jbbollen

Dear all,
I have trouble getting the Autopilot to work. I especially loaded a short target of 0.7 seconds. Orchids then starts the task but shows the spinning wheel forever. The app does not crash, however. Any ideas?
Thanks, Jan-Bas

April 29, 2016 at 10:39 #17899
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Karim

Dear Antonio,

Normaly you don[t have to install fonts. Do you have any issues with these ?
Now for the “Unable to expande “SOL_HQ.zip” it could be mostly due to interrupted download.
This happens due to timeimg out and was reported

BEst

April 29, 2016 at 11:55 #17904
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Emmanuel Jourdan

As @haddad mentioned, if you can’t unzip the file it’s likely that the file isn’t downloaded fully, I’d recommend you relaunch the download_SOL_0.9_HQ script (which is in the DMG) in order to resume the download.

April 29, 2016 at 11:59 #17905
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AntonioPinhoVargas

@EL and @Haddad
Thanks a lot.
I’ll try again to resume the download. Sometimes I believe it stops “alone” as if it was complet. Let’s see.

All the best.
António

April 29, 2016 at 12:07 #17906
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Fabrice Guedy

Dear all,

I have the same problem as Jan-Bas with the “autopilot” function. I’ve tried with short files, about 3 seconds, but I get the spinning wheel forever too. Could this be related to the complexity of the target sound ?
Best,

Fabrice

November 7, 2016 at 15:40 #19564
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natashabarrett

Hi, I’ve downloaded version 0.9.2 and have the same problem discussed in this thread earlier in the year: “file is damaged, move it to the trash”. Have downloaded the new SOL library, removed old copies, problem persists. I guess this problem was solved a while ago, and that I’m simply doing something wrong. Any tips? Running OSX 10.11.6.
v0.9.1 runs fine.

Thanks!

November 24, 2016 at 16:40 #19916
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Karim

Dear Natasha

This is mainly an Apple problem with third party software and it will get really worse with their new stuff i mean Sierra,.
In order to avoid it, [by the way there is nothing wrong with your download, it’s only the weird protection Apple system that is preventing it to install] follow these instructions :

http://mac-how-to.wonderhowto.com/how-to/open-third-party-apps-from-unidentified-developers-mac-os-x-0158095/

Best
K

November 24, 2016 at 17:48 #19920
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nick

Dear all,

I have the same problem as Jan-Bas and fabrice …with the “autopilot” function. I’ve tried with short files, about 1 second, but I get the spinning wheel forever too. As there is still no answer I guess I’m overlooking something really obvious… I ‘ll stay looking for an answer, but please, if you have one … Would you post it ?? Thank you on beforehand

N.

December 3, 2016 at 15:27 #20050
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Fabrice Guedy

Dear all,

do you experience the same problem on synchronisation :
when I play the analysis and the original file simultaneously I get an important growing offset between the two sources, making this functionality hard to use, same with the “solution” panel.
The problem seems to be related to the number of partials, not sure.

Secondly, I’m looking for a convincing example. I’ve tried a lot of different models, parameters, spent a lot of time, but still could not make something realy convincing for the students. If someone can share a good example, I would be gratefull,

@Nick : did you get an answer ?

Best,

Fabrice

December 4, 2016 at 17:50 #20052
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YEVGENIY

how to disable Gatekeeper on Sierra so that Orchids will launch:
https://www.tekrevue.com/tip/gatekeeper-macos-sierra/

January 13, 2017 at 05:03 #20474
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DanielFigols

Dear all,

I have recently downloaded Orchids installer from the shop (http://forumnet.ircam.fr/shop/en/forumnet/83-orchids.html), mounted the .DMG file and copied the application Orchids 0.9.2 to the Applications folder, as indicated in the file.

First abnormal behavior, the application extracts all the .MXO files in my Application folder, quite a messy start. I needed to create a folder in Applications and move everything inside. I also noticed that the folder ~/Library/Application Support/Orchids 0.9.2 Preferences/ has not been created.

Secondly, once the Orchids is launched and ready, all the icons are missing. I can’t edit the orchestra size or freeze any parameter.

Could someone please tell me what I did wrong? Is there a proper installer version? Thanks in advance for any clue.

I am running a MacBook Pro 2011 with OS El Capitan 10.11.6.

Best,

Daniel

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May 31, 2017 at 11:48 #22478
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DanielFigols

Version 0.9.1 works well on my laptop. It has to be that 0.9.2 is not properly created.

May 31, 2017 at 14:20 #22481
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Nuria GIMENEZ

Dear all,
I have had a problem with Sol installation, as I have used first the Solv3 2, and after all the day loading I have tried to add Sol.0.9 and after some hours the software crashed. I would like to do it properly but after reinstalling Orchids it seems to be in loop bug “Constructing note”,

Could someone please tell me a solution? Thanks in advance for any help,

I am running a MacBook Pro with OS 10.9.5,

bests,

Núria

June 24, 2017 at 08:06 #22731
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esling

Dear Nuria,

You should absolutely _not_ add the SOL folder to the database panel :)

Problem is that all the descriptors and partials for SOL are already pre-computed in the given install and so trying to add it only leads to lots of waiting for a final incoherent version. Now I guess that the current “user DB” is in an incoherent state. Could you try to remove the following folder :
~/Library/Application Support/Orchids 0.9.2 Preferences/

Then you can re-install the software as a clean new version. For SOL you only have to drag and drop the location of the folder once (at the first run of the software) and it should work always after :)

Cheers
Philippe

June 27, 2017 at 18:02 #22805
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Nuria GIMENEZ

Dear Philippe,

thank you for your answer, yes! I have already done, in fact installation is very fast!

cheers,

Nur

June 28, 2017 at 07:17 #22808
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DanielFigols

Hi there,

Sorry to insist but my Orchids 0.9.2 is still not working in my two computers (iMac and MacBook Pro, both with OSX 10.11.6). However I discovered that Orchids works perfectly on a third computer with no Max, Bach or Ircam software installed. The previous version of Orchids 0.9.1 seems to work fine (except that the rendering it is playing back only one sound…).

I guess it has to be related to permissions issues, as the Max window shows:

--- bach: automated composer's helper ---
© 2010-2015 - Andrea Agostini and Daniele Ghisi
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pictctrl: error -1 loading button.plus.png
jgraphics_image_surface_create_from_file: unable to write temp file
pictctrl: error -1 loading button.minus.png
jgraphics_image_surface_create_from_file: unable to write temp file
pictctrl: error -1 loading button.plus.png
jgraphics_image_surface_create_from_file: unable to write temp file
pictctrl: error -1 loading button.minus.png
jgraphics_image_surface_create_from_file: unable to write temp file
pictctrl: error -1 loading button.plus.png
jgraphics_image_surface_create_from_file: unable to write temp file
pictctrl: error -1 loading button.minus.png
jgraphics_image_surface_create_from_file: unable to write temp file
pictctrl: error -1 loading button.plus.png
jgraphics_image_surface_create_from_file: unable to write temp file
pictctrl: error -1 loading button.minus.png
jgraphics_image_surface_create_from_file: unable to write temp file
pictctrl: error -1 loading button.plus.png
jgraphics_image_surface_create_from_file: unable to write temp file
pictctrl: error -1 loading button.minus.png
jgraphics_image_surface_create_from_file: unable to write temp file
pictctrl: error -1 loading button.plus.png
jgraphics_image_surface_create_from_file: unable to write temp file
pictctrl: error -1 loading button.minus.png
jgraphics_image_surface_create_from_file: unable to write temp file
pictctrl: error -1 loading button.plus.png
jgraphics_image_surface_create_from_file: unable to write temp file
pictctrl: error -1 loading button.minus.png
jgraphics_image_surface_create_from_file: unable to write temp file
pictctrl: error -1 loading button.plus.png
jgraphics_image_surface_create_from_file: unable to write temp file
pictctrl: error -1 loading button.minus.png
jgraphics_image_surface_create_from_file: unable to write temp file
pictctrl: error -1 loading button.plus.png
jgraphics_image_surface_create_from_file: unable to write temp file
pictctrl: error -1 loading button.minus.png
jgraphics_image_surface_create_from_file: unable to write temp file
pictctrl: error -1 loading button.plus.png
jgraphics_image_surface_create_from_file: unable to write temp file
pictctrl: error -1 loading button.minus.png
jgraphics_image_surface_create_from_file: unable to write temp file
pictctrl: error -1 loading button.plus.png
jgraphics_image_surface_create_from_file: unable to write temp file
pictctrl: error -1 loading button.minus.png
jgraphics_image_surface_create_from_file: unable to write temp file
pictctrl: error -1 loading button.plus.png
jgraphics_image_surface_create_from_file: unable to write temp file
pictctrl: error -1 loading button.minus.png
jgraphics_image_surface_create_from_file: unable to write temp file
pictctrl: error -1 loading button.plus.png
jgraphics_image_surface_create_from_file: unable to write temp file
pictctrl: error -1 loading button.minus.png
jgraphics_image_surface_create_from_file: unable to write temp file
pictctrl: error -1 loading button.plus.png
jgraphics_image_surface_create_from_file: unable to write temp file
pictctrl: error -1 loading button.minus.png
jgraphics_image_surface_create_from_file: unable to write temp file
fpic: can't load file inactivelines.png
jgraphics_image_surface_create_from_file: unable to write temp file
fpic: can't load file strings.png
jgraphics_image_surface_create_from_file: unable to write temp file
fpic: can't load file brass.png
jgraphics_image_surface_create_from_file: unable to write temp file
pictctrl: error -1 loading button.delete.png
jgraphics_image_surface_create_from_file: unable to write temp file
pictctrl: error -1 loading button.delete.png
jgraphics_image_surface_create_from_file: unable to write temp file
fpic: can't load file dropsol.png
jgraphics_image_surface_create_from_file: unable to write temp file
fpic: can't load file lock.png
jgraphics_image_surface_create_fro m_file: unable to write temp file
fpic: can't load file filter_green.png
jgraphics_image_surface_create_from_file: unable to write temp file
pictctrl: error -1 loading button.check.png
jgraphics_image_surface_create_from_file: unable to write temp file
pictctrl: error -1 loading button.freeze.png
jgraphics_image_surface_create_from_file: unable to write temp file
pictctrl: error -1 loading button.delete.png
jgraphics_image_surface_create_from_file: unable to write temp file
pictctrl: error -1 loading button.sigma.png
jgraphics_image_surface_create_from_file: unable to write temp file
pictctrl: error -1 loading button.mu.png
jgraphics_image_surface_create_from_file: unable to write temp file
fpic: can't load file inactivelines.png
jgraphics_image_surface_create_from_file: unable to write temp file
fpic: can't load file inactivelines.png
jgraphics_image_surface_create_from_file: unable to wri te temp file
fpic: can't load file partials_vert.png
jgraphics_image_surface_create_from_file: unable to write temp file
fpic: can't load file icon.waveform.png
jgraphics_image_surface_create_from_file: unable to write temp file
fpic: can't load file icon.waveform.png
jgraphics_image_surface_create_from_file: unable to write temp file
fpic: can't load file icon.spectrogram.png
jgraphics_image_surface_create_from_file: unable to write temp file
fpic: can't load file wave_vert.png
MESSAGE1: command cp -rn /Applications/Orchids0.9.2.app/Contents/UserData/Presets/ ~/Library/Application Support/Orchids 0.9.2 Preferences/Presets/
spat.shell: job #1 started
spat.shell: job #1 ended
DoneCopyingPresets: bang
MESSAGE2: command test ! -d /Applications/Orchids0.9.2.app/Contents/UserData/Database/ || test -d ~/Library/Application Support/Orchids 0.9.2 Preferences/Database/ || cp -rn /Applications/Orchids0.9.2.app/Contents/UserData/Database/ ~/Library/Application Support/Orchids 0.9.2 Preferences/Database/
spat.shell: job #1 started
spat.shell: job #1 ended
DoneCopyingDatabase: bang
error -1 writing maxpreferences.maxpref
error -1 writing inspector_recent.maxpref
bach.print: done
DoneCopyingStuff: bang
LOCATED: cd "/Applications/Orchids0.9.2.app/Contents/Binary/" && ./Search
ORCH_BANG_RIGHT: bang
SOLFOLDERPATH: /Users/Dani/Documents/SOL/SOL_0.9c_HQ 
error -1 writing maxpreferences.maxpref
error -1 writing inspector_recent.maxpref
Shell: Orchids - Server version :) 
Shell: ----------------- 
Shell: Fetching database in : /Users/Dani/Library/Application Support/Orchids 0.9.2 Preferences/Database 
SentToServer: /Orchids/init 
Shell: Running OSC server

Any hint will be very welcome!!

Best,

Daniel

June 28, 2017 at 18:18 #22850

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