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HOA normalization

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Sherk SCOTT

I’ve become confused with the options for normalization in the HOA patchers of spat5. There is an option for both FuMa and MaxN which has confused me.

In the help patch for spat5.hoa.converter~ it states “FuMa and MaxN are almost the same. The only difference is a sqrt(2) = 3dB gain on the W-channel”. However, I am not certain that this is correct.

Is not Classic Gerzon – FuMa actually the following?
W: 1/sqrt(2); -3dB
X: 1: 0dB
Y: 1; 0dB
Z: 1; 0dB

Where as maxN is the following:
W: 1; 0dB
X: 1; 0dB
Y: 1; 0dB
Z: 1; 0dB

If this is the case, isn’t option listed as MaxN is actually maxN?

Thanks,
Scott

October 31, 2018 at 20:04 #28178
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T.

Hi Scott,

Sorry for the late reply.
I’m not quite sure to understand your question/problem.

“Is not Classic Gerzon – FuMa actually the following?
W: 1/sqrt(2); -3dB
X: 1: 0dB
Y: 1; 0dB
Z: 1; 0dB

Where as maxN is the following:
W: 1; 0dB
X: 1; 0dB
Y: 1; 0dB
Z: 1; 0dB”

–> Yes, I agree with that.

“If this is the case, isn’t option listed as MaxN is actually maxN?”
–> What do you mean ? Do you discriminate between MaxN (upper case) and maxN (lower case) ??

I might be missing something, but the equations implemented in spat5.hoa.converter~ seem correct to me.

Best,
T.

November 14, 2018 at 14:11 #28315
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Sherk SCOTT

Yes, T. It is my understanding that MaxN (upper case) is the same as classic Gerson / FuMa / MaxN
W : 1/sqrt(2) ; -3dB
X : 1 ; 0dB
Y : 1 ; 0dB
Z : 1 ; 0dB
whereas, maxN (lower case) is the following
W : 1 ; 0dB
X : 1 ; 0dB
Y : 1 ; 0dB
Z : 1 ; 0dB

Two different normalizations with almost identical names.
I’m confused…

December 6, 2018 at 05:36 #28485
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T.

Hi Scott,

I am not aware of any such distinction between upper/lower case max-n (could you point me to relevant bibliography ?)

My best understanding of HOA normalization is detailed in the following conference paper:
“T. Carpentier. ‘Normalization schemes in Ambisonic: does it matter?’ In Proc of the 142nd AES Convention, Berlin, Germany, May 2017.”
and this corresponds to the spat5 implementation.

But anyway: it is recommended to avoid maxN (not matter the case). N3D or SN3D should now be considered ‘the right thing to do’.

T.

December 6, 2018 at 12:01 #28486

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